Bill Murray III | Filmmaker
05.13.25
Dawn Cochran: Hi. OK, so I know who you are, but the world doesn't. So why don't you tell me who you are? Tell me a little bit about you. Tell me the origin of your name. No, I'm just kidding.
Bill Murray III: I am Bill Murray, the Third. Similar to THE Bill Murray, but my grandfather started the name. So we came first, but I am Bill Murray. Local filmmaker, director, cinematographer, producer, editor. I did start my own company B3 Productions and that's where I do all my filmmaking from. So whether it's producing, directing, writing my own stuff, or being a cinematographer for someone else... I run everything through B3 productions.
DC: When did? Oh. I need my water. When did B3 productions become a thing?
BM3: So it was probably two... about two and three years ago. I was at my official full-time job, that I had for like 10-12 years. I loved it. I was making great money, but I just had that burning itch to be a filmmaker. I've always wanted to do it my whole life. So three years ago, I started the name B3 Productions to create my first short film under. And from there, it's been three years of growth and now I'm probably at 10-15 short films.
DC: I think I met you at the Actors Expo in 2023.
BM3: I think that's correct. Yeah. Yes. So I just got started that year... about 2022, into 2023.
DC: I must have just moved back to Buffalo. I'm trying to think of when that was. I don't know what time is, so it doesn't really matter.
BM3: I think you're right on 2023. I thought I had some memorabilia around here from that Expo but yeah.
DC: OK, cool. Full disclosure, I thought you were a weirdo. I was like “This guy's name is not fucking Bill Murray. Like, who is this guy? Just coming in here trying to be in the filmmaking scene with making up his name and shit.”
BM3: That’s funny.
DC: We did chat for a while, though, and then I was like, “Wait, that dude is sweet.” And your actual name is Bill Murray, so.
BM3: Yes.
DC: Alright, so filmmaking. Where did you learn? Do you have any schooling, any training, or are you just fucking raw dogging it?
BM3: Oh, great question. Great question. A little bit of both. My initial love before was acting. When I was probably in 7th and 8th grade (and it's a long time ago.) 7th or 8th grade I acted in the school plays. I loved it. Acting was the thing I wanted to do growing up. Even when I started this journey. Acting was the first thing I did. I did go to Buff State for one year of Television and Film Arts program. I loved it. Although I decided it was a little more realistic to go for something like Marketing and Communications.
DC: The adult things.
BM3: The adult things. I met [redacted] at the time in college. So that might have swayed like my decisions too. We can cut that. Just kidding.
DC: [redacted]
BM3: So I did the “real thing,” and you know, stayed around here, and figured if it was going to happen, it would happen at some point. So, I kind of put that dream aside, and did the marketing/communication thing for about 10 to 12 years (as I mentioned before.) But I still had that burning desire to be a filmmaker. So no. No formal schooling other than that one year. I like to say that watching films has been my film school. I've seen thousands upon thousands of movies.
DC: Oh yeah, yeah.
BM3: I mean, there's film fans and then there's film buffs. There are people that love movies, and there's people that love the movies they like. Like, I love watching anything.
DC: The word is Cinephile, right? Yeah.
BM3: Correct. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a bad movie, I still think it was good that somebody made it. If that makes sense.
DC: It does make sense. You do watch... Well, not you, but the people... humans, do watch movies with a different eye when they're like us, versus just the general public, and that's really fun for me.
BM3: Right.
DC: Although sometimes I want to figure out why that even got made because some scripts are trash. Like, the dialogue like people don't know how humans actually talk to each other, right?
BM3: Right. Very true, but OK.
DC: We, we're getting way off. Yeah. Sorry, now we're just going to talk start talking about my favorite movies. Hahah.
BM3: Yeah, but that was my film school. That, and you know, anybody that's reading... Studio Binder, that was another one. I watched countless Studio Binder videos that taught me about exposing. I didn't, you know, didn't know much about exposing an image before I even started.
DC: Oh yeah.
BM3: So just learning about the exposure triangle, learning about frame rate. Learning about how to create a correct script for the Three Act Structure. Everything I learned from Studio Binder, it's there's a lot out there and then. And then to be honest, you just have to start making stuff. Getting on set is the best education that one can get in filmmaking. Just getting on set and having those experiences.
DC: So did you just go out and buy a camera? Or did you rent one? Or did you steal one? You stole one, huh?
BM3: Stole one right off the shelves of Sony! No, another great question. To start, I weighed the options of buying a new camera to shoot my first short film, which was going to be myself acting and my father shooting it for me. So at the time, I was also in the market for a brand new cell phone and this is right when the iPhone 10 was coming out maybe?
DC: It's called X! I'm kidding.
BM3: It was 10? 13? I can't even remember the number, right? Must have been 12 or 13. But I did a lot of research on people filming with their cell phone. Sean Baker, one of my favorite directors (who everybody probably knows, won a lot of awards this year,) he shot one of those films with an iPhone. Steven Soderbergh shot a film with an iPhone. So. I made the decision then to spend the money on a new phone and shoot it all with a cell phone and a gimble. And downloaded filmic pro, and rented some lights, and went out and shot my first short film on my iPhone.
DC: And what was your first short film?
BM3: That one first short film was called “Bury It.” It was a film that I shot with my father as the cinematographer and my assistant director. I directed and acted in it. It was about myself, who had sleep paralysis issues, and...
DC; Do you actually?
BM3: I did. Yes, yes, it's kind of from true experiences that I had -- I used to have actually.
DC: Based on true events.
BM3: Exactly. I used to have sleep paralysis where I would, in the middle of the night, half wake up where I would not be able to move, but my consciousness was awake and my ex-wife would be the one to tell me that. Like she could hear me verbalizing that.
DC: OK, I'm gonna. Sorry, I'm derailing this again. I just listened to a podcast where people who experience sleep paralysis are actually getting their energy sucked by like... psychic vampires or energy vampires.
BM3: There's a lot of stories like that. Yes, no, 100% true.
DC: Is your ex-wife...? No, I'm just kidding.
BM3: A succubus. I think is the word that is actually used. But it is like... Those kind of sleep paralysis things when you're an adult normally used to manifest themselves in the form of like a demon when you were a child. You have a recurring dream that, like a demon, was sitting in your chest and couldn't move. I had similar dreams like that when I was younger. Yeah, yeah. So in this story, I thought, you know, what would happen with the person in sleep paralysis if that body that was paralyzed was able to get up and move? And I was still paralyzed in my mind... What could that potential astral projection do? So it was a little dive into a serial killer with sleep paralysis. That was my first story.
DC: Dang.
BM3: Yeah. And that's on YouTube. If anybody wants to see it.
DC: I'm gonna go and check it out!! How long is it?
BM3: That one, I believe I kept around thirteen minutes.
DC: 13 minutes for your first short film???
BM3: Yeah, yeah. It might be closer to ten minutes.
DC: Humans who are reading this. Uh, I've seen a lot of short films that are like two to three minutes. Thirteen minutes is a long time.
BM3: It is a little too long, probably a little too long.
DC: But no, that's cool!!
BM3: Yeah. Yeah, it was really cool. It was really cool. I did all that like, I said with the cell phone, and after that I had a couple people start to ask me to shoot their films with a camera that they already had... So I went onto a production where I used the school's Sony camera for the first time.
DC: And what was that learning curve like?
BM3: That was a wild experience, actually. That was my first film set other than my own. I went out to one film set where I was the key grip and I was introduced to a ton of people at Buff State. Tyler Ineson introduced me to a large group of people. Yeah. And on that set, somebody was a director and writer... Jake Dannenberg was shooting his final one of his school project. Uh.
DC: I think he's working on one of my projects this summer, it doesn't matter, but yeah.
BM3: Yeah, probably. He was looking for a DP, and an assistant director and somebody to help shoot his school project short film. So I told him that I would. I don't have a ton of experience with the camera yet. I've shot most of them on an iPhone, so I jumped on set with real actors, a real lighting crew, sound crew, and used the camera for the first time. I was able to frame up shots and I conceptually knew cinematography well, but... The camera and tech knowledge just wasn't there yet. But that one went pretty well... and after that is when I actually made the decision that I wanted to keep shooting. So I bought the FX30. Pretty much that weekend! It came in without a lens, so I didn't shoot anything on it for a little bit... And that's the camera that I've had since then.
DC: And how many lenses do you have now?
BM3: A few. I went out and purchased three for shooting and have acquired like four vintage lenses since then. That I also shoot on it is I tried to be.
DC: It's a sickness.
BM3: I ‘m trying to cut myself off, I tried to cut myself off at a certain point.
DC: Even with just regular photography, I now have like two or three cameras. And my cat just died so I treated myself to a fucking brand new lens.
BM3: There you go. You deserve it. You deserve it. You deserve that. That's too funny.
DC: Oh my God. Yeah. So. Let's see. Alright, so now we're into... you started B3 Productions. You were at the Actors Expo. You were networking, you met people and... What do you think of the Buffalo film industry? What are your thoughts?
BM3: I think it's wonderful what's happening here in Buffalo. And I gotta show some love to the surrounding areas as well.
DC: Oh yes.
BM3: Because as much as I do love Buffalo, I do want people to know that like Rochester, Niagara Falls, even Syracuse, and the surrounding areas, are huge for filmmaking as well. But yes, I love Buffalo. I love the community around here. There's a lot of talent. A lot of films are coming here. The city looks great. It looks like a lot of different spots that major studios would want to use. So, I'm really excited about it.
DC: Do you think that it's going to be a mini Atlanta, or a mini Albuquerque or anything like that? Or do you think that it's really for us indie kids -- Adults, we're adults now. We could still be kids, right?
BM3: Yeah, we’re kids. Haha. You know what? To be honest, I really hate anything that is a fad. So when you hear about those other towns, those other cities, that are big or were big for a little bit, and then the next town becomes something big... I don't want to ever jump on that. I don't ever like to hope we can be like the “next Atlanta” because people are already telling you that the next town is going to be this one. that one... I don't know. I just...
DC: I do think that a lot of people are hoping because, you know, we had a couple studios open and they're like, “Oh, we're gonna be the next big thing.” Right? But I don't see. I don't see it because we are such a blue-collar town.
BM3: Yeah, I think it's different when you're in the town as well. Like we're here, and these few movies are coming here, and it sounds amazing. And like “This is gonna be huge filming, ” but like, this could happen in a ton of small cities around the USA.
DC: Exactly. Yeah, it probably is happening everywhere.
BM3: You hear about Yonkers, NY, which is like even bigger than what we are right now for filmmaking.
DC: But yeah, they’re already filming in smaller cities in Florida, they're filming in North Carolina. They're filming in... I mean basically anywhere. that I don't know. Anywhere I think that there's like a good scenery. Yeah. But. Yeah, I don't know.
BM3: I just think what it comes down to is, I don’t want to rely on it being huge. I wanna just make my own stuff, whether it's here or whether it's anywhere. You know, I traveled a lot when I was younger. I haven't traveled a ton in the past 10 years. But I do know that I don't think I want to make every single movie here in Buffalo.
DC: Well, yeah, that makes sense.
BM3: Personally, I think I'll start to be moving a little bit more Midwest to make things.
DC: What's your idea... What's your goal of... where in the Midwest? Do you have something in your brain that you’re thinking about?
BM3: No. No, I don't. I'll be honest, it’s just empty spaces... I like places that are untapped.
DC: The vast wide open.
BM3: Yeah, I like places that are untapped. Mountainous. Away from large society. As much as I love filmmaking, and how it tends to gravitate towards cities, and I like film festivals, and I like networking type stuff. But I still love isolation.
DC: Which now it makes sense why you live in the middle of nowhere in WNY. Haha. So let’s switch gears, because I’m a scatterbrain and didn’t bring my questions with me... What is your next project?
BM3: The ones I’m working on currently are the ones I'm allowed to talk about.
DC: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
BM3: I currently have, (I don't want to break any rules,) I got a couple in the works that are possibly be working on towards the end of the summer. But I am in the middle of editing the first feature film that I worked on. I assisted directed my first feature film a month and a half ago.
DC: And that was a bigger production, right?
BM3: That was a big production.
DC: Tell me. Talk about it, if you can?
BM3: Yeah, we can talk about that big one.
DC: Alright, So what is it called?
BM3: “One of the Good Ones” It was brought here by an executive producer, lead actor, Tom Paolino from New York City. And the director, Julia O'Hara. So Tom reached out to me and, a lady in the community (that everyone probably knows,) Donna Vaughn...
DC: Love Donna!!
BM3: Donna has referred me to many projects around here has always championed me from the beginning, so.
DC: Oh yeah, she does. Yeah, she's messaging me constantly. I appreciate her so much. Shout out Donna. I don't have enough time in the world to do everything that gets sent to me.
BM3: Yeah, she's amazing. So anyway, she gave Tom my name. Tom gave me a call. We talked for a good bit on that first call and we clicked immediately. We both used the word “synergy” which was funny. He brought me on as the assistant director, and I brought on my whole crew from Buffalo; everybody that's worked on a B3 Productions. Everyone I've been wanting to bring along with me was able to come out for this project. Which was awesome. Jamison Namingha, my DP on all my stuff now was able to come. Tyler Kalinowski came on as the official gaffer. Alex Frank was one of the grips, along with Dan Conklin. Leigh LeFevre came on as the script supervisor.
DC: You had the whole gang!!
BM3: Adam Burke on sound. Yeah.
DC: Ohh Adam OK, OK!
BM3: Yep. Adam Burke on sound. We had a couple of PA's: Ethan Taylor-Sweet, that we all know. Kaelie Pabon was there. I'm probably missing some people, so don't kill me!
DC: That's OK. They won't be offended. This is an on-the-spot question, so it’s okay!
BM3: Yes, yes, very true. Thank you. So yeah, I was just really proud to be able to bring on the crew that has worked so hard. You know, doing projects for me, for free or little to nothing, for a while. So we had a lot of local actors as well. Not a ton. We did have some bigger name talent that was on this actually. If anybody out there, or have you watched Outer Banks show on Netflix? I don't watch it a ton, but Mary Rachel Quinn was a recurring actress on that show. She was in this movie, as well as Susan Gallagher, who is the recurring actress on Cobra Kai! She plays “homeless Lynn.”
DC: I’ve never watched Outer Banks. Also, I've never watched Cobra Kai. I’m so sorry!
BM3: I watched a couple of episodes. Let’s see, there was the wonderful actor, Jacob Ware from New York City. He was in things such as Boardwalk Empire.
DC: OH MY GOD. Did you just see about that one guy from Boardwalk Empire who got arrested for like ummm sexual assault. Oh my God. Crazy. What's his name? Ah. Michael Pitt.
BM3: Oh wow. Oh wow. I like him as an actor.
DC: Yeah, he has sex abuse charges. Yikes. Anyway.
BM3: Anyway, yeah. Jacob Ware, great actor from New York City! Super talented though. One of the coolest things about working on that feature film is seeing really good actors, and their whole process before filming and during filming. It was super cool. So yeah, cast was some local people, and some out of town. Well, the whole crew is from here. We shot for 9 days; a combination of Niagara Falls, and Buffalo. Catered by the wonderful Ilio DiPaolo’s! Shot a scene at Ilio’s too! They do a lot films. Have you ever filmed there? Anyway, “One of the Good Ones” is about a good lawyer who prosecutes dirty lawyers. So there's a dirty lawyer in this film that Tom, (who plays Dean,) is trying to take down. He’s taking down these bad lawyers.
DC: And you're editing this right now??
BM3: Yeah! My co-editor Jamison and I are currently tackling this right now.
DC: I just talked to Richie Leyland last week and he was talking about editing some films. I don't know how you guys do it! I edit my auditions, and even that stresses me out. nd those are like a minute long. Haha.
BM3: Yeah, it's a wild process, honestly. It's a lonely... it can be a lonely process sometimes. But you get really intimate with the actors when you're editing. You're watching somebody do the same line a few times. You're really trying to make them look as best as possible. So you really... it's funny, you build a relationship with somebody that's not there. But you do become kind of closer with people that you're editing. Which is really cool.
DC: So can you talk to me about your editing process? Or is it hard to describe?
BM3: Yeah, absolutely. I I like to watch every clip at least once first. And then I try to watch them again. With this film, we had what's called a DIT, a digital imaging technician, who was putting together daily clips for us as we went along. Every single night, the director and I had every scene, with sound sync’d to it, in a timeline, that we could watch and make sure that we got all the shots we wanted. So that was one of the first cool things about working on a feature and being able to edit the feature -- Having those daily clips to look at. You kind of got a head start in the editing room too [being able to look at those.] I like to review every clip at least once, and then I start to build my timeline with video. There's a lot of different processes in editing, and I'm sure there are people that can throw clips in very roughly and not add anything about them yet, and just build this large timeline. But I get too in the weeds already. I try and rough at it every single scene, as I go along. It tends to speed up the process versus just throwing clips in then going back and starting to cut things up. I normally get a rough timeline together first, with some basic dialogue editing. And send that over to the director; get all of her notes on what she'd like to change up. Then go through and make all those changes. That will get us closer to picture locking, to where we can start editing the dialogue a little bit more... edit in some sound effects. And then send it back to her for one more round of large revisions. Then final finer cut that. And then reallyyy get into the sound design and sound mixing before getting it off to the colorist for color grading.
DC: That's a... wow... How long do you think, roughly, (and I won't hold you to this,) but how long does a feature film takes to edit with everything, with the color grading, with sound effects?
BM3: From the start to finish, I'd say it's probably a four-to-six-month process? Eh, that's probably a long.
DC: Wow.
BM3: It could be maybe three. Somebody might be able to get it done in three.
DC: So you filmed for 9 days and then it's going to take almost three to six months to edit it?! That's a great thing to think about. I know this, really. But also, I'm on set. I'm not in the editing room, you know.
BM3: Yeah, it's better to think about it in terms of hours, because I'm not gonna be editing every single one of those days. So the deliverables happen in months increments. But the workload normally happens between Monday and Friday. Hours at a time. But yeah, that's that's definitely a long process. And especially with the revisions and collaborating with people across the state, too.
DC: I was gonna ask! Is it hard to do this work when you're not sitting right next to the person?
BM3: Had I not been on the film, yeah. There are some editors that don't walk on the set, and they're editing films. I don't know if I'd be able to do that.
DC: Yeah, because you already visualize what it's supposed to look like.
BM3: Yep, and that's how I am as a filmmaker. I already know when I'm shooting what I want it to look like in the end. So it really helps.
DC: So what would be your favorite part of filmmaking? Your favorite favorite part?
BM3: I love the pre-production process. I love planning the film. Yeah, I really do. I love working with the actors in pre-production. I love diving into the script and figuring out awesome locations. I love doing storyboarding with my DP, or if I'm the DP, and I love creating storyboards and look books and...
DC: Do you draw out your storyboards?
BM3: I don't. I'm a terrible artist when it comes to drawing. I use Shot Deck which compiles millions of shots from already made films, and it's really cool to just be able to reference those. Then give them to the gaffer and have them come up with a lighting plan. That kind of stuff, I think, is just awesome. It really makes the film. You can tell when people do a lot in pre-production and who doesn't, because there's already going to be 1,000,000 problems that happen on set. Why not try and eliminate at least 500,000 of them in pre-production?
DC: I have been on some sets where you show up on set and you know that there was almost no pre-production. They're just winging it. And it's... well it’s not always bad.
BM3: No, but it will never be great.
DC: It's not always good, yeah.
BM3: It will never be great. Right. Absolutely no. And being an indie filmmaker, and working on such small budgets -- that's where you make it up; in pre-production. And working your ass off, and making up time, because you don't have a ton of days to shoot because you're paying people on those days. So, right, you're packing everything into a minimal amount of days. And the more you plan, the more you plan, leading up to that...
DC: Yeah, yeah. The more you're prepared.
BM3: Yep, the more efficient you can be on those five day you're trying to cram in 30 minute film.
DC: Exciting, exciting stuff. I feel... I don't know. We should hang out more.
BM3: Yeah, for sure, absolutely.
DC: I think we're, I think we're gonna this summer maybe. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about that, though??
BM3: Oh.. Future projects? We gotta wait for when the agents say you can talk about it.
DC: Yeah, my lawyer has to talk to your lawyer, you know.
BM3: Exactly. Exactly.
DC: Sign some paperwork. Haha. Is there anything else you want? -- Oh, I have a good one! I like to ask this one. Well, OK, this is only like my fifth interview, so I guess I just started asking this one. What's your favorite scary movie?
BM3: My favorite scary movie?
DC: Horror movie. You know what I mean.
BM3: That's a really good question, because it's different than my favorite movie. My favorite movie isn't horror.
DC: Oh yeah, yeah. My favorite movie is completely different. What's your favorite movie?
BM3: My favorite movie is Requiem for a Dream. I can answer that every time.
DC: Really? Ok. Ok.
BM3: That is the movie that, when I saw that movie, at what? 18 years old...
DC: That locked you in?
BM3: I couldn't believe that films couldmake you feel that way throughout a movie. I laughed. I cried. I got the chills. I got nothing like that before. That's a full movie. Here’s the poster right here that I love so much. Yeah. So that's my favorite.
DC: I’m well versed in that movie. but that one scene, oof.
BM3: Yeah... uhh. You can't say the name of that film without thinking about the last final scene of that movie or one of the last scenes I mean. But my favorite scary movie?
DC: I should preface not all horror movies are scary, and not all scary movies are horror.
BM3: Right, yeah.
DC: Or I guess? But yeah, what's your favorite horror movie? I just say scary movie because of Scream. Haha.
BM3: Do I have to give ONE?
DC: No, no.
BM3: Can I have a Mount Rushmore?
DC: Yeah, you can have it, yeah. Of course!
BM3: Mount Rushmore is four. Three is hard and I think four is okay.
DC: It's a nice round number. It’s even. Yeah.
BM3: Ok, ready? The Exorcist. The Shining.
DC: I can see that.
BM3: Yeah, they're going to be my posters. The Exorcist. The Shining. Maybe they won't be all my posters. I'm going to say X because it leads to a trilogy that I absolutely love. So X is gonna be my modern horror. I’m a huge Ti West fan.
DC: I just bought the books from A24. I just needed them. I don't know. Alright, one more.
BM3: My fourth...
DC: *gets distracted by posters on the wall.* Ohhhhh, dude. I just watched an Adams Family Film!! I don't remember what it was called.
BM3: Which one was it?
DC: It's not Hellbender. It's um... the other one. I thought it was absolute fucking trash.
BM3: Deeper You Dig... their first one??
DC: It was like a circus.
BM3: Ohh that one. I really liked that one actually. Really like that one.
DC: Ohh oops. I fucking hated it.
BM3: The soundtrack is insane.
DC: I'm so sorry. Let me look, I can't think of what it’s called.
BM3: Where the Devil Roams?
DC: Yes!
BM3: Yeah, I actually love that movie.
DC: I’m am so sorry. I disagree.
BM3: Last one... Honestly... On the spot? I'm going to go with the first Smile movie. I thought there was the best jump scares I've seen in years. It's hard to get me. I've seen so many horror movies of this point, I love horror and I will put Smile as my fourth because it made me jump for the first time in 10 years. It has the best jump scare. You will ever see. Yeah, yeah.
DC: I haven't seen it and I haven't seen smile too. And now you're making me think that I should.
BM3: It was also really good. Those faces are so creepy. And just seeing it. I'm picturing the smile the the covers right now, and it just creeps you out. So yeah, I would put that as four to be honest, yeah.
DC: All right, I don't. I don't know how I feel about. I'm gonna have to watch it and report back.
BM3: You see any other three of those, of course. The exorcist? The Shining? X?
DC: Oh yeah of course. I've seen all of those. Wow. Yep. I don't know if I would be able to answer my...
BM3: Mount Rushmore.
DC: Yeah, I don't think I could.
BM3: It's tough, it's tough.
DC: Because it changes. I feel like it changes all the time. I'm super super into Terrifier being like...
BM3: Yeah, that'd be like your handshake four. I think they call that like your handshake four or something that like can change?
DC: Uh, one last question for you has nothing to do with your production company! Did you see Sinners?
BM3: I have not yet. Again, this would be to the one point I made about mainstream. I will.
DC: Are you a hater?
BM3: I'm not a hater.
DC: No, you can be.
BM3: I just tend to I tend to wait to see mainstream stuff until everybody else stops talking about it.
DC: So I was going to wait and my friend called me, and she said I'm picking you up right now. We're going to see sinners and I said what?
BM3: Loved it?
DC: I fucking loved it. And I'm so fucking pissed off at myself for loving it. And it might not even be that good. But in the movie theater, I think the movie theater makes me think I love movies.
BM3: That's funny. I've been going back lately and it's an amazing experience going back to the theater.
DC: I fucking love going to the movies, but not on opening night because I went on opening night to see Nosferatu on Christmas and that was the worst.
BM3: Not enjoyable?
DC: It was the worst.
BM3: Dang, the communal experience is awesome. Hearing people laugh...
DC: The person next to us fucking dropped their popcorn like four fucking times. I don't know what was happening and the guy on the other side was like...eating a fucking full course meal like I don't know what was happening here. And like the Sonic the Hedgehog music was playing while the quiet scenes in the movie, I don't know! It's fine, it's fine! Do you have anything that you wanted me to ask you?
BM3: I don't think so. I think we hit on a lot of topics.
DC: We did talk about a lot of things.
BM3: Ah, that's about it.
DC: Yeah. Alright, cool, sick.
BM3: That's perfect.
DC: Thank you so much.
BM3: Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
DC: You're welcome. We'll do this again sometime... when we're super famous.
BM3: Please. Yeah, yeah. Very soon, very soon.
Bill Murray III: I am Bill Murray, the Third. Similar to THE Bill Murray, but my grandfather started the name. So we came first, but I am Bill Murray. Local filmmaker, director, cinematographer, producer, editor. I did start my own company B3 Productions and that's where I do all my filmmaking from. So whether it's producing, directing, writing my own stuff, or being a cinematographer for someone else... I run everything through B3 productions.
DC: When did? Oh. I need my water. When did B3 productions become a thing?
BM3: So it was probably two... about two and three years ago. I was at my official full-time job, that I had for like 10-12 years. I loved it. I was making great money, but I just had that burning itch to be a filmmaker. I've always wanted to do it my whole life. So three years ago, I started the name B3 Productions to create my first short film under. And from there, it's been three years of growth and now I'm probably at 10-15 short films.
DC: I think I met you at the Actors Expo in 2023.
BM3: I think that's correct. Yeah. Yes. So I just got started that year... about 2022, into 2023.
DC: I must have just moved back to Buffalo. I'm trying to think of when that was. I don't know what time is, so it doesn't really matter.
BM3: I think you're right on 2023. I thought I had some memorabilia around here from that Expo but yeah.
DC: OK, cool. Full disclosure, I thought you were a weirdo. I was like “This guy's name is not fucking Bill Murray. Like, who is this guy? Just coming in here trying to be in the filmmaking scene with making up his name and shit.”
BM3: That’s funny.
DC: We did chat for a while, though, and then I was like, “Wait, that dude is sweet.” And your actual name is Bill Murray, so.
BM3: Yes.
DC: Alright, so filmmaking. Where did you learn? Do you have any schooling, any training, or are you just fucking raw dogging it?
BM3: Oh, great question. Great question. A little bit of both. My initial love before was acting. When I was probably in 7th and 8th grade (and it's a long time ago.) 7th or 8th grade I acted in the school plays. I loved it. Acting was the thing I wanted to do growing up. Even when I started this journey. Acting was the first thing I did. I did go to Buff State for one year of Television and Film Arts program. I loved it. Although I decided it was a little more realistic to go for something like Marketing and Communications.
DC: The adult things.
BM3: The adult things. I met [redacted] at the time in college. So that might have swayed like my decisions too. We can cut that. Just kidding.
DC: [redacted]
BM3: So I did the “real thing,” and you know, stayed around here, and figured if it was going to happen, it would happen at some point. So, I kind of put that dream aside, and did the marketing/communication thing for about 10 to 12 years (as I mentioned before.) But I still had that burning desire to be a filmmaker. So no. No formal schooling other than that one year. I like to say that watching films has been my film school. I've seen thousands upon thousands of movies.
DC: Oh yeah, yeah.
BM3: I mean, there's film fans and then there's film buffs. There are people that love movies, and there's people that love the movies they like. Like, I love watching anything.
DC: The word is Cinephile, right? Yeah.
BM3: Correct. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a bad movie, I still think it was good that somebody made it. If that makes sense.
DC: It does make sense. You do watch... Well, not you, but the people... humans, do watch movies with a different eye when they're like us, versus just the general public, and that's really fun for me.
BM3: Right.
DC: Although sometimes I want to figure out why that even got made because some scripts are trash. Like, the dialogue like people don't know how humans actually talk to each other, right?
BM3: Right. Very true, but OK.
DC: We, we're getting way off. Yeah. Sorry, now we're just going to talk start talking about my favorite movies. Hahah.
BM3: Yeah, but that was my film school. That, and you know, anybody that's reading... Studio Binder, that was another one. I watched countless Studio Binder videos that taught me about exposing. I didn't, you know, didn't know much about exposing an image before I even started.
DC: Oh yeah.
BM3: So just learning about the exposure triangle, learning about frame rate. Learning about how to create a correct script for the Three Act Structure. Everything I learned from Studio Binder, it's there's a lot out there and then. And then to be honest, you just have to start making stuff. Getting on set is the best education that one can get in filmmaking. Just getting on set and having those experiences.
DC: So did you just go out and buy a camera? Or did you rent one? Or did you steal one? You stole one, huh?
BM3: Stole one right off the shelves of Sony! No, another great question. To start, I weighed the options of buying a new camera to shoot my first short film, which was going to be myself acting and my father shooting it for me. So at the time, I was also in the market for a brand new cell phone and this is right when the iPhone 10 was coming out maybe?
DC: It's called X! I'm kidding.
BM3: It was 10? 13? I can't even remember the number, right? Must have been 12 or 13. But I did a lot of research on people filming with their cell phone. Sean Baker, one of my favorite directors (who everybody probably knows, won a lot of awards this year,) he shot one of those films with an iPhone. Steven Soderbergh shot a film with an iPhone. So. I made the decision then to spend the money on a new phone and shoot it all with a cell phone and a gimble. And downloaded filmic pro, and rented some lights, and went out and shot my first short film on my iPhone.
DC: And what was your first short film?
BM3: That one first short film was called “Bury It.” It was a film that I shot with my father as the cinematographer and my assistant director. I directed and acted in it. It was about myself, who had sleep paralysis issues, and...
DC; Do you actually?
BM3: I did. Yes, yes, it's kind of from true experiences that I had -- I used to have actually.
DC: Based on true events.
BM3: Exactly. I used to have sleep paralysis where I would, in the middle of the night, half wake up where I would not be able to move, but my consciousness was awake and my ex-wife would be the one to tell me that. Like she could hear me verbalizing that.
DC: OK, I'm gonna. Sorry, I'm derailing this again. I just listened to a podcast where people who experience sleep paralysis are actually getting their energy sucked by like... psychic vampires or energy vampires.
BM3: There's a lot of stories like that. Yes, no, 100% true.
DC: Is your ex-wife...? No, I'm just kidding.
BM3: A succubus. I think is the word that is actually used. But it is like... Those kind of sleep paralysis things when you're an adult normally used to manifest themselves in the form of like a demon when you were a child. You have a recurring dream that, like a demon, was sitting in your chest and couldn't move. I had similar dreams like that when I was younger. Yeah, yeah. So in this story, I thought, you know, what would happen with the person in sleep paralysis if that body that was paralyzed was able to get up and move? And I was still paralyzed in my mind... What could that potential astral projection do? So it was a little dive into a serial killer with sleep paralysis. That was my first story.
DC: Dang.
BM3: Yeah. And that's on YouTube. If anybody wants to see it.
DC: I'm gonna go and check it out!! How long is it?
BM3: That one, I believe I kept around thirteen minutes.
DC: 13 minutes for your first short film???
BM3: Yeah, yeah. It might be closer to ten minutes.
DC: Humans who are reading this. Uh, I've seen a lot of short films that are like two to three minutes. Thirteen minutes is a long time.
BM3: It is a little too long, probably a little too long.
DC: But no, that's cool!!
BM3: Yeah. Yeah, it was really cool. It was really cool. I did all that like, I said with the cell phone, and after that I had a couple people start to ask me to shoot their films with a camera that they already had... So I went onto a production where I used the school's Sony camera for the first time.
DC: And what was that learning curve like?
BM3: That was a wild experience, actually. That was my first film set other than my own. I went out to one film set where I was the key grip and I was introduced to a ton of people at Buff State. Tyler Ineson introduced me to a large group of people. Yeah. And on that set, somebody was a director and writer... Jake Dannenberg was shooting his final one of his school project. Uh.
DC: I think he's working on one of my projects this summer, it doesn't matter, but yeah.
BM3: Yeah, probably. He was looking for a DP, and an assistant director and somebody to help shoot his school project short film. So I told him that I would. I don't have a ton of experience with the camera yet. I've shot most of them on an iPhone, so I jumped on set with real actors, a real lighting crew, sound crew, and used the camera for the first time. I was able to frame up shots and I conceptually knew cinematography well, but... The camera and tech knowledge just wasn't there yet. But that one went pretty well... and after that is when I actually made the decision that I wanted to keep shooting. So I bought the FX30. Pretty much that weekend! It came in without a lens, so I didn't shoot anything on it for a little bit... And that's the camera that I've had since then.
DC: And how many lenses do you have now?
BM3: A few. I went out and purchased three for shooting and have acquired like four vintage lenses since then. That I also shoot on it is I tried to be.
DC: It's a sickness.
BM3: I ‘m trying to cut myself off, I tried to cut myself off at a certain point.
DC: Even with just regular photography, I now have like two or three cameras. And my cat just died so I treated myself to a fucking brand new lens.
BM3: There you go. You deserve it. You deserve it. You deserve that. That's too funny.
DC: Oh my God. Yeah. So. Let's see. Alright, so now we're into... you started B3 Productions. You were at the Actors Expo. You were networking, you met people and... What do you think of the Buffalo film industry? What are your thoughts?
BM3: I think it's wonderful what's happening here in Buffalo. And I gotta show some love to the surrounding areas as well.
DC: Oh yes.
BM3: Because as much as I do love Buffalo, I do want people to know that like Rochester, Niagara Falls, even Syracuse, and the surrounding areas, are huge for filmmaking as well. But yes, I love Buffalo. I love the community around here. There's a lot of talent. A lot of films are coming here. The city looks great. It looks like a lot of different spots that major studios would want to use. So, I'm really excited about it.
DC: Do you think that it's going to be a mini Atlanta, or a mini Albuquerque or anything like that? Or do you think that it's really for us indie kids -- Adults, we're adults now. We could still be kids, right?
BM3: Yeah, we’re kids. Haha. You know what? To be honest, I really hate anything that is a fad. So when you hear about those other towns, those other cities, that are big or were big for a little bit, and then the next town becomes something big... I don't want to ever jump on that. I don't ever like to hope we can be like the “next Atlanta” because people are already telling you that the next town is going to be this one. that one... I don't know. I just...
DC: I do think that a lot of people are hoping because, you know, we had a couple studios open and they're like, “Oh, we're gonna be the next big thing.” Right? But I don't see. I don't see it because we are such a blue-collar town.
BM3: Yeah, I think it's different when you're in the town as well. Like we're here, and these few movies are coming here, and it sounds amazing. And like “This is gonna be huge filming, ” but like, this could happen in a ton of small cities around the USA.
DC: Exactly. Yeah, it probably is happening everywhere.
BM3: You hear about Yonkers, NY, which is like even bigger than what we are right now for filmmaking.
DC: But yeah, they’re already filming in smaller cities in Florida, they're filming in North Carolina. They're filming in... I mean basically anywhere. that I don't know. Anywhere I think that there's like a good scenery. Yeah. But. Yeah, I don't know.
BM3: I just think what it comes down to is, I don’t want to rely on it being huge. I wanna just make my own stuff, whether it's here or whether it's anywhere. You know, I traveled a lot when I was younger. I haven't traveled a ton in the past 10 years. But I do know that I don't think I want to make every single movie here in Buffalo.
DC: Well, yeah, that makes sense.
BM3: Personally, I think I'll start to be moving a little bit more Midwest to make things.
DC: What's your idea... What's your goal of... where in the Midwest? Do you have something in your brain that you’re thinking about?
BM3: No. No, I don't. I'll be honest, it’s just empty spaces... I like places that are untapped.
DC: The vast wide open.
BM3: Yeah, I like places that are untapped. Mountainous. Away from large society. As much as I love filmmaking, and how it tends to gravitate towards cities, and I like film festivals, and I like networking type stuff. But I still love isolation.
DC: Which now it makes sense why you live in the middle of nowhere in WNY. Haha. So let’s switch gears, because I’m a scatterbrain and didn’t bring my questions with me... What is your next project?
BM3: The ones I’m working on currently are the ones I'm allowed to talk about.
DC: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
BM3: I currently have, (I don't want to break any rules,) I got a couple in the works that are possibly be working on towards the end of the summer. But I am in the middle of editing the first feature film that I worked on. I assisted directed my first feature film a month and a half ago.
DC: And that was a bigger production, right?
BM3: That was a big production.
DC: Tell me. Talk about it, if you can?
BM3: Yeah, we can talk about that big one.
DC: Alright, So what is it called?
BM3: “One of the Good Ones” It was brought here by an executive producer, lead actor, Tom Paolino from New York City. And the director, Julia O'Hara. So Tom reached out to me and, a lady in the community (that everyone probably knows,) Donna Vaughn...
DC: Love Donna!!
BM3: Donna has referred me to many projects around here has always championed me from the beginning, so.
DC: Oh yeah, she does. Yeah, she's messaging me constantly. I appreciate her so much. Shout out Donna. I don't have enough time in the world to do everything that gets sent to me.
BM3: Yeah, she's amazing. So anyway, she gave Tom my name. Tom gave me a call. We talked for a good bit on that first call and we clicked immediately. We both used the word “synergy” which was funny. He brought me on as the assistant director, and I brought on my whole crew from Buffalo; everybody that's worked on a B3 Productions. Everyone I've been wanting to bring along with me was able to come out for this project. Which was awesome. Jamison Namingha, my DP on all my stuff now was able to come. Tyler Kalinowski came on as the official gaffer. Alex Frank was one of the grips, along with Dan Conklin. Leigh LeFevre came on as the script supervisor.
DC: You had the whole gang!!
BM3: Adam Burke on sound. Yeah.
DC: Ohh Adam OK, OK!
BM3: Yep. Adam Burke on sound. We had a couple of PA's: Ethan Taylor-Sweet, that we all know. Kaelie Pabon was there. I'm probably missing some people, so don't kill me!
DC: That's OK. They won't be offended. This is an on-the-spot question, so it’s okay!
BM3: Yes, yes, very true. Thank you. So yeah, I was just really proud to be able to bring on the crew that has worked so hard. You know, doing projects for me, for free or little to nothing, for a while. So we had a lot of local actors as well. Not a ton. We did have some bigger name talent that was on this actually. If anybody out there, or have you watched Outer Banks show on Netflix? I don't watch it a ton, but Mary Rachel Quinn was a recurring actress on that show. She was in this movie, as well as Susan Gallagher, who is the recurring actress on Cobra Kai! She plays “homeless Lynn.”
DC: I’ve never watched Outer Banks. Also, I've never watched Cobra Kai. I’m so sorry!
BM3: I watched a couple of episodes. Let’s see, there was the wonderful actor, Jacob Ware from New York City. He was in things such as Boardwalk Empire.
DC: OH MY GOD. Did you just see about that one guy from Boardwalk Empire who got arrested for like ummm sexual assault. Oh my God. Crazy. What's his name? Ah. Michael Pitt.
BM3: Oh wow. Oh wow. I like him as an actor.
DC: Yeah, he has sex abuse charges. Yikes. Anyway.
BM3: Anyway, yeah. Jacob Ware, great actor from New York City! Super talented though. One of the coolest things about working on that feature film is seeing really good actors, and their whole process before filming and during filming. It was super cool. So yeah, cast was some local people, and some out of town. Well, the whole crew is from here. We shot for 9 days; a combination of Niagara Falls, and Buffalo. Catered by the wonderful Ilio DiPaolo’s! Shot a scene at Ilio’s too! They do a lot films. Have you ever filmed there? Anyway, “One of the Good Ones” is about a good lawyer who prosecutes dirty lawyers. So there's a dirty lawyer in this film that Tom, (who plays Dean,) is trying to take down. He’s taking down these bad lawyers.
DC: And you're editing this right now??
BM3: Yeah! My co-editor Jamison and I are currently tackling this right now.
DC: I just talked to Richie Leyland last week and he was talking about editing some films. I don't know how you guys do it! I edit my auditions, and even that stresses me out. nd those are like a minute long. Haha.
BM3: Yeah, it's a wild process, honestly. It's a lonely... it can be a lonely process sometimes. But you get really intimate with the actors when you're editing. You're watching somebody do the same line a few times. You're really trying to make them look as best as possible. So you really... it's funny, you build a relationship with somebody that's not there. But you do become kind of closer with people that you're editing. Which is really cool.
DC: So can you talk to me about your editing process? Or is it hard to describe?
BM3: Yeah, absolutely. I I like to watch every clip at least once first. And then I try to watch them again. With this film, we had what's called a DIT, a digital imaging technician, who was putting together daily clips for us as we went along. Every single night, the director and I had every scene, with sound sync’d to it, in a timeline, that we could watch and make sure that we got all the shots we wanted. So that was one of the first cool things about working on a feature and being able to edit the feature -- Having those daily clips to look at. You kind of got a head start in the editing room too [being able to look at those.] I like to review every clip at least once, and then I start to build my timeline with video. There's a lot of different processes in editing, and I'm sure there are people that can throw clips in very roughly and not add anything about them yet, and just build this large timeline. But I get too in the weeds already. I try and rough at it every single scene, as I go along. It tends to speed up the process versus just throwing clips in then going back and starting to cut things up. I normally get a rough timeline together first, with some basic dialogue editing. And send that over to the director; get all of her notes on what she'd like to change up. Then go through and make all those changes. That will get us closer to picture locking, to where we can start editing the dialogue a little bit more... edit in some sound effects. And then send it back to her for one more round of large revisions. Then final finer cut that. And then reallyyy get into the sound design and sound mixing before getting it off to the colorist for color grading.
DC: That's a... wow... How long do you think, roughly, (and I won't hold you to this,) but how long does a feature film takes to edit with everything, with the color grading, with sound effects?
BM3: From the start to finish, I'd say it's probably a four-to-six-month process? Eh, that's probably a long.
DC: Wow.
BM3: It could be maybe three. Somebody might be able to get it done in three.
DC: So you filmed for 9 days and then it's going to take almost three to six months to edit it?! That's a great thing to think about. I know this, really. But also, I'm on set. I'm not in the editing room, you know.
BM3: Yeah, it's better to think about it in terms of hours, because I'm not gonna be editing every single one of those days. So the deliverables happen in months increments. But the workload normally happens between Monday and Friday. Hours at a time. But yeah, that's that's definitely a long process. And especially with the revisions and collaborating with people across the state, too.
DC: I was gonna ask! Is it hard to do this work when you're not sitting right next to the person?
BM3: Had I not been on the film, yeah. There are some editors that don't walk on the set, and they're editing films. I don't know if I'd be able to do that.
DC: Yeah, because you already visualize what it's supposed to look like.
BM3: Yep, and that's how I am as a filmmaker. I already know when I'm shooting what I want it to look like in the end. So it really helps.
DC: So what would be your favorite part of filmmaking? Your favorite favorite part?
BM3: I love the pre-production process. I love planning the film. Yeah, I really do. I love working with the actors in pre-production. I love diving into the script and figuring out awesome locations. I love doing storyboarding with my DP, or if I'm the DP, and I love creating storyboards and look books and...
DC: Do you draw out your storyboards?
BM3: I don't. I'm a terrible artist when it comes to drawing. I use Shot Deck which compiles millions of shots from already made films, and it's really cool to just be able to reference those. Then give them to the gaffer and have them come up with a lighting plan. That kind of stuff, I think, is just awesome. It really makes the film. You can tell when people do a lot in pre-production and who doesn't, because there's already going to be 1,000,000 problems that happen on set. Why not try and eliminate at least 500,000 of them in pre-production?
DC: I have been on some sets where you show up on set and you know that there was almost no pre-production. They're just winging it. And it's... well it’s not always bad.
BM3: No, but it will never be great.
DC: It's not always good, yeah.
BM3: It will never be great. Right. Absolutely no. And being an indie filmmaker, and working on such small budgets -- that's where you make it up; in pre-production. And working your ass off, and making up time, because you don't have a ton of days to shoot because you're paying people on those days. So, right, you're packing everything into a minimal amount of days. And the more you plan, the more you plan, leading up to that...
DC: Yeah, yeah. The more you're prepared.
BM3: Yep, the more efficient you can be on those five day you're trying to cram in 30 minute film.
DC: Exciting, exciting stuff. I feel... I don't know. We should hang out more.
BM3: Yeah, for sure, absolutely.
DC: I think we're, I think we're gonna this summer maybe. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about that, though??
BM3: Oh.. Future projects? We gotta wait for when the agents say you can talk about it.
DC: Yeah, my lawyer has to talk to your lawyer, you know.
BM3: Exactly. Exactly.
DC: Sign some paperwork. Haha. Is there anything else you want? -- Oh, I have a good one! I like to ask this one. Well, OK, this is only like my fifth interview, so I guess I just started asking this one. What's your favorite scary movie?
BM3: My favorite scary movie?
DC: Horror movie. You know what I mean.
BM3: That's a really good question, because it's different than my favorite movie. My favorite movie isn't horror.
DC: Oh yeah, yeah. My favorite movie is completely different. What's your favorite movie?
BM3: My favorite movie is Requiem for a Dream. I can answer that every time.
DC: Really? Ok. Ok.
BM3: That is the movie that, when I saw that movie, at what? 18 years old...
DC: That locked you in?
BM3: I couldn't believe that films couldmake you feel that way throughout a movie. I laughed. I cried. I got the chills. I got nothing like that before. That's a full movie. Here’s the poster right here that I love so much. Yeah. So that's my favorite.
DC: I’m well versed in that movie. but that one scene, oof.
BM3: Yeah... uhh. You can't say the name of that film without thinking about the last final scene of that movie or one of the last scenes I mean. But my favorite scary movie?
DC: I should preface not all horror movies are scary, and not all scary movies are horror.
BM3: Right, yeah.
DC: Or I guess? But yeah, what's your favorite horror movie? I just say scary movie because of Scream. Haha.
BM3: Do I have to give ONE?
DC: No, no.
BM3: Can I have a Mount Rushmore?
DC: Yeah, you can have it, yeah. Of course!
BM3: Mount Rushmore is four. Three is hard and I think four is okay.
DC: It's a nice round number. It’s even. Yeah.
BM3: Ok, ready? The Exorcist. The Shining.
DC: I can see that.
BM3: Yeah, they're going to be my posters. The Exorcist. The Shining. Maybe they won't be all my posters. I'm going to say X because it leads to a trilogy that I absolutely love. So X is gonna be my modern horror. I’m a huge Ti West fan.
DC: I just bought the books from A24. I just needed them. I don't know. Alright, one more.
BM3: My fourth...
DC: *gets distracted by posters on the wall.* Ohhhhh, dude. I just watched an Adams Family Film!! I don't remember what it was called.
BM3: Which one was it?
DC: It's not Hellbender. It's um... the other one. I thought it was absolute fucking trash.
BM3: Deeper You Dig... their first one??
DC: It was like a circus.
BM3: Ohh that one. I really liked that one actually. Really like that one.
DC: Ohh oops. I fucking hated it.
BM3: The soundtrack is insane.
DC: I'm so sorry. Let me look, I can't think of what it’s called.
BM3: Where the Devil Roams?
DC: Yes!
BM3: Yeah, I actually love that movie.
DC: I’m am so sorry. I disagree.
BM3: Last one... Honestly... On the spot? I'm going to go with the first Smile movie. I thought there was the best jump scares I've seen in years. It's hard to get me. I've seen so many horror movies of this point, I love horror and I will put Smile as my fourth because it made me jump for the first time in 10 years. It has the best jump scare. You will ever see. Yeah, yeah.
DC: I haven't seen it and I haven't seen smile too. And now you're making me think that I should.
BM3: It was also really good. Those faces are so creepy. And just seeing it. I'm picturing the smile the the covers right now, and it just creeps you out. So yeah, I would put that as four to be honest, yeah.
DC: All right, I don't. I don't know how I feel about. I'm gonna have to watch it and report back.
BM3: You see any other three of those, of course. The exorcist? The Shining? X?
DC: Oh yeah of course. I've seen all of those. Wow. Yep. I don't know if I would be able to answer my...
BM3: Mount Rushmore.
DC: Yeah, I don't think I could.
BM3: It's tough, it's tough.
DC: Because it changes. I feel like it changes all the time. I'm super super into Terrifier being like...
BM3: Yeah, that'd be like your handshake four. I think they call that like your handshake four or something that like can change?
DC: Uh, one last question for you has nothing to do with your production company! Did you see Sinners?
BM3: I have not yet. Again, this would be to the one point I made about mainstream. I will.
DC: Are you a hater?
BM3: I'm not a hater.
DC: No, you can be.
BM3: I just tend to I tend to wait to see mainstream stuff until everybody else stops talking about it.
DC: So I was going to wait and my friend called me, and she said I'm picking you up right now. We're going to see sinners and I said what?
BM3: Loved it?
DC: I fucking loved it. And I'm so fucking pissed off at myself for loving it. And it might not even be that good. But in the movie theater, I think the movie theater makes me think I love movies.
BM3: That's funny. I've been going back lately and it's an amazing experience going back to the theater.
DC: I fucking love going to the movies, but not on opening night because I went on opening night to see Nosferatu on Christmas and that was the worst.
BM3: Not enjoyable?
DC: It was the worst.
BM3: Dang, the communal experience is awesome. Hearing people laugh...
DC: The person next to us fucking dropped their popcorn like four fucking times. I don't know what was happening and the guy on the other side was like...eating a fucking full course meal like I don't know what was happening here. And like the Sonic the Hedgehog music was playing while the quiet scenes in the movie, I don't know! It's fine, it's fine! Do you have anything that you wanted me to ask you?
BM3: I don't think so. I think we hit on a lot of topics.
DC: We did talk about a lot of things.
BM3: Ah, that's about it.
DC: Yeah. Alright, cool, sick.
BM3: That's perfect.
DC: Thank you so much.
BM3: Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
DC: You're welcome. We'll do this again sometime... when we're super famous.
BM3: Please. Yeah, yeah. Very soon, very soon.